Sunday, January 09, 2011

Assassin Loughner a Member of Conspiracy Site "Above Top Secret," Posts Show Hate for Christianity

As information about the assassin Jared Lee Loughner slowly comes out, new facts are slowly trickling in.  One of the newest is that he was a member of the conspiracy website Above Top Secret, whose website's motto is "deny ignorance."

Under the username of "Erad3," a simple rearrangement of his first name, Loughner wrote perplexing and, quite frankly, insane posts several times on the website.  Under his "More Stuff You Should Know" section, he wrote, "Eating a Chicken Pot Pie in a voting booth with the option for a Spanish vote!"

Other topics include a post entitled, "Why is the year infinite in the date," in which Loughner said, in response to "what day is today:" "Today is July 7th 2010620106548435784657841510159543248418954982010654843578465784151015954324841895..."In actuality, the number he wrote was over 900 characters long.

Loughner also rambled on about "infinite currency," which he also posted about on his YouTube page.  In response to Loughner's ramblings, other members wrote that they were "struggling to see the point of [his] topic" and that they weren't sure what he was talking about.

Interestingly, out of all of Loughner's ramblings, one thing becomes crystal clear:  his hatred for Christianity.  Under his username, the assassin constantly bashed the religion; in a topic entitled, "Why does God allow the existance of people who go to hell," Loughner wrote, "God couldn't be a possible! It's being argued with unknown authors for dispute."

In other posts, Loughner's hatred for Christianity becomes even more clear.  In a topic entitled, "108 Year Old Rabbi Predicts Arrival of Messiah," Loughner wrote:
If Christianity philosophy is non-fiction writing then there's a author for the literature 
There's no author for the literature. 
Therefore, Christianity philosophy is not non-fiction writing. 
Crap on anyone who is believing Christianity without evidence of a writer!
In another topic, he wrote this rambling response:
Are you going to tell every poster that its possibly to meet the writer in this current age? 
There are far many books that are easy to remember then the books of the bible.
What if Plato and the other writers of the bible chilled for ten minutes talking about chicken? 
What a sad attempt to know who wrote any of the bible and the story's not in them. 
Very sad and pathetic attempt for something to talk about!
Two things are becoming very clear as the world learns more about this assassin: he is insane and he hate Christianity.



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18 comments:

  1. Clearly, a liberal nut-job

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  2. He deems to have degenerated into some fantasy role. I wonder if it was because the Internet allowed, even encouraged the fantasy? I mean, you would think someone who writes such twisted thoughts online would display them in other aspects of his life. But so far, no one has come forward to say they know him in person, and he's strange. Only digital postings.

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  3. turns out he wasn't liberal.

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  4. turns out he is a liberal

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  5. He was a lib:

    http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screen-shot-2011-01-08-at-4-43-24-pm.png

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  6. Turns out hes neither.
    His political ideology is all over the map! Mein Kamph AND The Communist Manifesto? Those are to opposing political works, and they are as different as night and day.
    Look...I like throwing labels on somebody as much as the next guy- but I think the only one that fits here is "nut job".

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  7. If I was on a chatroom or online bulletin board and somebody started in with his 'infinite currency' or brainwashing schtick, I'd just assume it was somebody trolling the forum to try and get a reaction.....

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  8. "ein Kamph AND The Communist Manifesto? Those are to opposing political works, and they are as different as night and day."

    They are both forms of socialism. Calling Nazism "right-wing" was a Stalin born slur against a competing brand of socialism.

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  9. Anyone who thinks Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto are opposites, is likely also seriously deluded. They are both socialist forms as the previous poster has pointed out. 2 points on the continuum of the LEFT. National Socialist Party=NAZI.

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  10. you people are completely out of your minds.

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  11. Mein kampf, communist manifesto, but no one points out 'The Republic'....

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  12. Mein kampf, communist manifesto, but no one points out 'The Republic'....
    The Republic... socialist-eugenics-utopia (same s***) not that the books matter... its obviously diverse

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  13. First of All, this assassin is not a liberal or a conservative. From what I can tell he's a type of extreme Anarchist, who believes in nihilism or "propaganda of the deed". See Emma Goldman on wikipedia. Of course he could just be crazy or both.
    He apparently thinks that the government is corrupt and manipulating the "currency" to rob us and he thought he could cause a revolt to help over throw the government so we could institute a new currency.

    The congresswoman he shot was married to an astronaut and he thinks that it was a conspiracy, that NASA would never send a man into space because of the danger.

    Secondly, Hitler was a fascist. National Socialism has nothing to do with actual Socialism.
    Remember the Martin Niemoller poem?
    First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me--
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.
    (This poem was changed when zionists put it in the holocaust museum)
    http://www.christianethicstoday.com/cetart/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.main&ArtID=155

    These socialist-eugenics were elitists associated with fabianism.
    Jeffery Goldberg in his book "liberal fascism" refers to neoliberalism, which is monetary liberalism or globalist capitalism, in fact neoliberals are arch-conservatives and neocons and they are fascists. These are the "New Democrats" in power today. They belong to an organization called the DLC, and Clinton started one called "The Third Way". These people hide behind progressives and have taken over our labels in an orwellian fashion.

    They shouldn't be confused with social liberalism, or progressivism, in fact left wing progressives are actually civil libertarians. We are very close to some libertarians and old school conservatives like AmConMag.

    It would be better if everyone would stop trying to blame this nut on the other side. "We" are americans, and "they", our elected officials are screwing up the works. They divide us in order to rule. It's time to come together and point the fingers at them.

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  14. This is an amazing commentary on a collection of comments from Jared Lee Loughner. I just learned about his links to ATS earlier this a.m. I've read through his comments. He looks like an anti-government leftist to me. For example, he expresses doubt about the reality of the Space Shuttle and condemns the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He's not a free market pro-Constitution fellow at all. From other sources, it looks like his anger at Giffords took root in 2007...long before Palin or Beck were household names.

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  15. Most convincing is the theory that he is a Manchurian Candidate with a very specific program. Whether insane or not would be trivial at best. In fact, if insane, the better, as insanity is most likely a welcome pre-requisite for candidacy, because the insane may be better programmable.

    Mein Kampf, The Comm. Manifesto, etc are not central. These elements in the Jared-Lee-scenario are possibly only meant to "educate" the under-educated masses, who will now get their 101 on variants of Fascism. Splitting hair on discussions regarding Hitler vs. Stalin is excessive. Focus rather on who really pulled the trigger in Tuscon, as that is the main story. Jared was a Zombie = Manchurian Candidate, which will be clear to most of us, regardless of mental illness.

    Next: from his jail-cell, he will become the messiah of the Tea Party movement, the militia, Anarchists, the mentally ill, and many other groups which are yearning for a voice against any establishment, in particular government. To complicate things: the government itself is supporting this all arguably, as current forms of governments are to be eliminated in order for a replacement (new order) to succeed. I hate to use the term New World Order, however that is the center of the story. Look at your 1,-- $ bill: Novus Ordo Seclorum is printed on its front. Means: New World Order. Is "Jared" (= Zombie/Manchurian Candidate) talking about currency etc as a messenger, so the actually sleeping masses wake up and read what is printed on their dollar bills ? Was "Jared" catapulted into our lives as a(n insane) lecturer to force us to tune into what the New World Order orchestrators want us to absorb/learn ? Because the masses handle money every day but don't know anything about the New World Order. Jared killed 6 people and injured G. Giffords gravely - the world will listen when he starts to talk. (Like in a B-movie, he is currently not talking, so everybody gets anxious about what he might have to say when he speaks. Q: The FBI interrogators couldn't make him talk ? A 22 years old mentally ill man is stronger than the FBI ?? I have a hard time believing that.)

    I won't be surprised if "Jared" soon starts to tell us what is going to happen next, and his predictions would come true. Not because he is a psychic or such. Rather because he might be victim to Remote Viewing. In Remote Viewing, he would be receiving information; information about the next day's events for instance.

    Too early to tell whether he is only a nut case and there is nothing more to it. I suspect he is a nut case, but that is irrelevant, and there is much more to the Jared story. He is most likely a Manchurian Candidate and will be used by the ones who created him to the last drop before executed. A truly intimate symbiosis where brain-scewing appears more "rewarding" than genital involvement, for both the screwed and screwer, whereas the "reward" is the success of the plan, namely the New World Order. Foot soldiers (Manchurian Candidates) don't care about their own death, as they are already dead actually, mentally speaking. They may have been even recruited into associating pain with pleasure.

    These are all theories. I'm just sharing them with you here. Replies very welcome. Thanks.

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  16. Although he did list a wide variety of books that he liked, he also stated "We the Living" by Ayn Rand was his favorite.

    His dismissal of Christianity as fiction also fits with a Nietzsche/Rand view of the world.

    He was strongly anti-government and individualist, and he ranted about things he didn't like as being 'unconstitutional'. He also believed that the only legal currency was one backed by gold or silver.

    While it would be wrong to label Loughner as purely right/libertarian, there is a clear imprint of those ideologies in his ranting.

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  17. and what about his blog on blogspot? Nobody seems to be mentioning this "poem" he wrote. Do you wonder, like I do, whether or not his hatred for "Christianity" and his mention of priests lying could mean he suffered abuse at the hands of a priest? Sexual abuse of a child can clearly lead to a very very mixed up and mentally ill man. Anyone know anything about his parents? they are being kept so secret from us all. Did they know about the skull in the backyard? Did they try to get him help and couldn't? the system is very broken.

    As for the books he said he "liked", his entire youtube page was written in past tense as if he knew we would be there reading after his death. He clearly expected to be shot. This was not suicide by cop as some are speculating. He just didn't expect to come out alive - perhaps he expected it to end in suicide but got taken down before he had time to off himself? Do you think he intentionally changed the "books he liked" to mess with everyone's mind? Are we proving to him that we actually ARE sheep? He was not a "nutjob". He is a very ill man. Calling him a nutjob removes him from the rest of us. He IS us. he is one of millions of
    Americans who suffer from mental illness and fall thru the cracks. if he was abused by a priest, this is an indication of what the bigger problem of priest abuse can become! He has a mental illness. He is clearly psychotic and has been for a long while. the posts on abovetopsecret.com were from July 2010. They are the rantings of someone NOT in touch with reality, I have tried to read them. His psychosis about currency, the constitution and grammar was going on back then. As was stated here, even someone back then called him a schizophrenic. His symptoms were obvious. They must have also been to his parents. Did they try to get him help? Perhaps his parents are wacko christians? maybe that is his anger - although it seems interesting to me that he specifically mentions "priests" in what could come out as his "suicide poem" (since he said goodbye in it?) can an investigator find out from blogspot what time this was posted? Is there a priest from his childhood church in jail? Who can follow this up? If nothing else, this poem proves pre-meditation. Was it posted before or after he bought the bullets? Since yesterday, a private youtube video with giffords name in the title was posted on his blogspot as well. I wonder if this was sent to her. he posted a link to it on his own blog but because he uploaded it as private, it can not be seen by people who have NOT been sent an invitation. I wonder if Giffords was? What does the video say? he left enough bread crumbs that his insanity defense is undeniable. Maybe THAT was his goal? Maybe we are all being set up by a man who has been planning a brilliant defense. "not guilty by reason of the internet"?

    http://jaredloughner.blogspot.com

    January 8, 2011
    What everyone is asking themselves...
    Why Did I Do It...?

    Why do birds fly?
    Why do babies cry?
    Why do priests lie?
    Why was Obama so easy to buy?

    I am not afraid to die.
    Goodbye.

    Posted by jared lee loughner at Saturday, January 08, 2011

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  18. and what about his blog on blogspot? Nobody seems to be mentioning this "poem" he wrote. Do you wonder, like I do, whether or not his hatred for "Christianity" and his mention of priests lying could mean he suffered abuse at the hands of a priest? Sexual abuse of a child can clearly lead to a very very mixed up and mentally ill man. Anyone know anything about his parents? they are being kept so secret from us all. Did they know about the skull in the backyard? Did they try to get him help and couldn't? the system is very broken.

    As for the books he said he "liked", his entire youtube page was written in past tense as if he knew we would be there reading after his death. He clearly expected to be shot. This was not suicide by cop as some are speculating. He just didn't expect to come out alive - perhaps he expected it to end in suicide but got taken down before he had time to off himself? Do you think he intentionally changed the "books he liked" to mess with everyone's mind? Are we proving to him that we actually ARE sheep? He was not a "nutjob". He is a very ill man. Calling him a nutjob removes him from the rest of us. He IS us. he is one of millions of
    Americans who suffer from mental illness and fall thru the cracks. if he was abused by a priest, this is an indication of what the bigger problem of priest abuse can become! He has a mental illness. He is clearly psychotic and has been for a long while. the posts on abovetopsecret.com were from July 2010. They are the rantings of someone NOT in touch with reality, I have tried to read them. His psychosis about currency, the constitution and grammar was going on back then. As was stated here, even someone back then called him a schizophrenic. His symptoms were obvious. They must have also been to his parents. Did they try to get him help? Perhaps his parents are wacko christians? maybe that is his anger - although it seems interesting to me that he specifically mentions "priests" in what could come out as his "suicide poem" (since he said goodbye in it?) can an investigator find out from blogspot what time this was posted? Is there a priest from his childhood church in jail? Who can follow this up? If nothing else, this poem proves pre-meditation. Was it posted before or after he bought the bullets? Since yesterday, a private youtube video with giffords name in the title was posted on his blogspot as well. I wonder if this was sent to her. he posted a link to it on his own blog but because he uploaded it as private, it can not be seen by people who have NOT been sent an invitation. I wonder if Giffords was? What does the video say? he left enough bread crumbs that his insanity defense is undeniable. Maybe THAT was his goal? Maybe we are all being set up by a man who has been planning a brilliant defense. "not guilty by reason of the internet"?

    http://jaredloughner.blogspot.com

    January 8, 2011
    What everyone is asking themselves...
    Why Did I Do It...?

    Why do birds fly?
    Why do babies cry?
    Why do priests lie?
    Why was Obama so easy to buy?

    I am not afraid to die.
    Goodbye.

    Posted by jared lee loughner at Saturday, January 08, 2011

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